Thursday, August 10, 2017

TOYOTA v. HONDA

Perhaps the most expensive repair any car can have, including Honda Accords, is the transmission.  Well it was just my luck that I bought a Honda Accord, a 2000 Honda Accord back in 1997.  And it was only Nick at Kerechuk Motors in Alhambra that I ever or even learned of this problem.  He cited my year as far up to the 2004s for being notorious with transmission problems.  Well, well, well.  Though the problems with the transmissions goes several years back, I am only concerned with Accords made in my year, 2000.  And my engine size is the 2.3L.  Aren't I lucky?  But as I shop for a car, it looks like I need to stay away from the 2.4L engines, the 3.0L engines, and the 2.4L engines.  What about the years that follow, like 2011 to 2018?  Anybody?  Buehler?

This page shows that transmission problems are the #1 problem with Honda Accords.  It also states the average cost to repair their transmissions: $3,000.  Ouch.  It declares, too, about when the repair is summoned: at the 100,000 mile mark.  So just when you think that you're getting your miles out of your car, guess what?  Kaput!  I wonder if this isn't the reason why so many cars are put up for sale at the 80,000 mile mark.  Perhaps most people in the know know that the 100,000 mile mark is risky territory.  

Problems with the 2002 transmission is slipping. 
Problems with the 2003 transmission is failure.  OMG.  
Problems with the 2004 transmission is also failure.  Jeeze.  
2001 transmissions were recalled.  Why is it that I am the last to hear of this?  Because you don't read about the things that you own.  Ahem.  Joe St. Mars said that 
They weren't recalled.  Recalls are for serious health and safety concerns only.  I think they extended the warranty on the automatic transmission for 2000-2001 Accords.  There may have been a bulletin on that topic.  
Is Joe an authority on the subject?  Maybe.  

So, wait, it's not just a few years or range of years.  No, it spanned five straight years from 1999 to 2004.  And it wasn't just transmission slippage, it was transmission failure.  And it wasn't just Honda Accords, it were the Accord, the Civic, and the Odyssey.
If you own a Honda released between 1999–2004 and haven’t had any issues with your automatic transmission, may I suggest you go to your nearest conevnience store and play the lottery? ’Cause you are one lucky son-of-a-gun.
Transmission failure in those model years is a widespread issue with the Honda Accord, Civic and Odyssey. The 2003 Honda Accord2001 Honda Civic and 2002 Honda Odyssey appear to be the worst years for transmission failure.  
It is amazing how bad it really is.  Seems like the only work-around on this transmission problem is to buy a 5-speed, manual transmission, but who makes a Honda Accord 5-speed manual transmission?




TOYOTA
See the full list of Toyotas here

SEDANS, Compacts
Toyota Corolla, HP on Corolla?  132 to 148HP.
Yaris

SEDANS, Mid-Size 
Camry has a 2.5 liter engine, same as the Mazda 3; whereas the Accord still has only a 2.4 liter.  On HP, HorsePower, the Camry clocks in at 178 to 268 HP.  So if you want more power, it looks like the Toyota and Mazda out perform the Honda.  But maybe only marginally.  I don't know for sure.  
Prius
Mirai

SEDANS, Luxury
Avalon

SUV, Large
Land Cruiser
Highlander
4Runner
Sequoia

SUV, Mid-Size
RAV4 

TRUCKS
Tacoma
Tundra

VANS
Sienna
Horsepower is important, but understand that it is a number derived by a calculation.  The fact of the matter is that horsepower is the product of torque and another value — RPMs (divided by 5252). It’s not unrelated, separate, or different. 
In fact, there’s not a single machine in existence that measures a car’s horsepower. It’s a man-made number. When a car’s performance is tested, its torque is measured using a dynamometer. The measure of an engine’s performance is torque. Horsepower is an additional number that’s attained by multiplying the torque by the RPMs.
About force, here is something you should know. 
What determines true acceleration for a vehicle isn’t really debatable — it’s force divided by mass. The formula for acceleration is seen below.
f = ma
Which means…
a = f/m
The confusion only comes in determining which force we’re actually talking about.
So we are solving for acceleration and we have a constant mass. We’ve already established that torque is the amount of rotational force being generated at the engine, but we aren’t concerned with the force at the engine. What we’re interested in is the force at the wheels. The force at the wheels is the f in f = ma (actually, it includes the radius of the wheel as well, but we’re simplifying).
But remember, the transmission ultimately gives the force to the wheels, not the engine. And that’s the trick to this whole mess.



HONDAS

SEDANS, Sub-Compact
CR-Z 
Fit, also marketed as the Jazz
City

SEDANS, Compact
Civic (though it did start out as a subcompact; remember how tiny these things were?)

SEDANS, Mid-Size 
Accord.  It still has a 2.4 liter engine.  The Mazda 3 has a 2.5. Okay, the original Accord was categorized as a sub-compact.  But the new generation comes in a mid-size compact as well as a full-size compact. Accord HP is 185 to 278, which is greater than the Camries.  

SEDANS, Luxury
Avalon

SUV, Subcompact crossover
HR-V [Hi-rider Revolutionary Vehicle] 

SUV, Large
Land Cruiser
Highlander
4Runner
Sequoia

SUV, Mid-Size
CRV

SUV, Mid-Size Crossover
Pilot.  This is a fascinating read:
Prior to the introduction of the Pilot, Honda marketed the compact crossover CR-V, and the Honda Passport, (a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo) that was a pickup truck-based design. The Pilot is Honda's largest and only three-row SUV, although the 2010 Crosstour surpassed the Pilot in length.[3]
SUT, Sport Utility Truck

TRUCKS
Tacoma
Tundra

Mini-VANS
Odyssey.  What's interesting is that these vans have been categorized as "Shuttles."  Which they are but I've just not heard them marketed as such. 

MAZDA 3
Mazda 3 Hatchback has a 2.5 liter engine.  155 to 184 HP.
Engine size
Horsepower
Year
Make/Model
Fuel Cap
1.6 L / 4C
109 HP
2014
Nissan Versa
10.8 gal
1.6 L / 4C
109 HP
2017
Nissan Versa
10.8 gal
1.8 L / 4C
132 to 140HP
2014
Toyota Corolla
13.2 gal
1.8 L / 4C
132 to 140HP
2017
Toyota Corolla
13.2 gal
2.0 L / 4C
155 to 184HP
2014
Mazda 3
13.2 gal
2.5 L / 4C
155 to 184HP
2017
Mazda 3
13.2 gal
2.4 L / 4C
185 to 278HP
2017
Honda Accord
17.2 gal
2.4 L / 4C
185 to 278HP
2014
Honda Accord
17.2 gal
1.5 L / 4C
158 to 306HP
2017
Honda Civic
12.4 gal
1.8 L / 4C
143 to 205HP
2014
Honda Civic
13.2 gal
2.5 L / 4C
178 to 268HP
2017
Toyota Camry
17 gal
2.5 L / 4C
173 to 268
2014
Toyota Camry
17 gal
1.5 L / 4C
106HP
2017/2014
Toyota Yaris
11.1 gal
1.8 L / 4C
141HP
2017
Honda HR-V
13.2 gal
1.8 L / 4C
141HP
2016
Honda HR-V
13.2 gal
































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